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More Than a Song is a bi-weekly podcast dedicated to helping you discover the truth of Scripture hidden in today's popular Christian music. Each episode teaches you to connect portions of God's Word with the songs you're singing along with on the radio to help you meditate on Truths that will transform your way of thinking and, ultimately, your life.

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  1. · 29 minbonusSpecial Edition: Vella Karman on Friday With Friends

    Send us Fan Mail Vella Karman joins me on this special Friday With Friends edition of More Than a Song to talk about her debut novel Beyond the Mirage, her faith and writing journey, and the Bible tool that keeps her time in God’s Word fresh. Vella is a Christian novelist who draws on her southern roots to write stories splashed with color and emotion. Her writing has been read in more than forty countries. She developed the Fantastical Summer anthology, leading a team of fifteen writers, and she was one of the copy editors on my own debut novel, A Seat at the Table, so I can vouch for the care she brings to a manuscript. In this conversation, Vella shares: Why she reads the Bible, and how she can feel the difference when she hasn’t Her favorite verse, Isaiah 41:13, and what it reveals about God’s heart The spiritual battle and the New Year’s Eve moment that inspired Beyond the Mirage The truth at the core of her novel: “I can trust myself when I trust God” Why Christians should be the most fun people on earth Her favorite Bible Interaction Tool: the Blue Letter Bible app (free on Apple and Android) A song that’s meaningful to her right now: “Scared” by Claire Leslie Find all the links to connect with Vella at michellenezat.com/vella Want to watch the full interview? Watch it on YouTube Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  2. · 28 min#547: "Gonna Be Alright” by Matt Maher

    Send us Fan Mail Grab your free Episode Guide to take these BITEs with me this week: https://michellenezat.com/547download Have you ever noticed that worry never travels alone? It drags tomorrow into today and brings a whole list of what-ifs along for the ride. Matt Maher's "Gonna Be Alright" opens with words almost straight from the mouth of Jesus. But read in context, Jesus wasn't just telling us to stop worrying. He was talking about something underneath the worry: a divided heart. In this episode: Reading the envelope on the Gospel of Matthew and its five blocks of teaching Four pairs in Matthew 6 that come before "do not be anxious": two audiences, two storehouses, two perspectives, and two masters Why "therefore" in Matthew 6:25 changes how we read Jesus' words on worry A financial planner's conversation that reveals what we really expect money to give us A word study on merimnaō (anxious), from Martha's kitchen to Paul's call to undivided devotion Why the answer to a divided heart starts with the Father who already knows what you need Key verse: "Teach me your way, O LORD, that I may walk in your truth; unite my heart to fear your name." Psalm 86:11 Scriptures referenced: Matthew 6:1–34; Matthew 7:28; Matthew 10:19; Luke 10:41; 1 Corinthians 7:32–35; Philippians 4:6; 1 Peter 5:7; Psalm 86:11 Resources: Logos Bible Software: https://logos.sjv.io/Wqx6JG BibleProject Podcast, "What Does Jesus Say About Anxiety?": https://bibleproject.com/podcasts/what-does-jesus-say-about-anxiety/ BibleProject Matthew 1–13 overview video: https://bibleproject.com/explore/video/matthew-1-13/ Listen and share: https://michellenezat.com/547 Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  3. · 28 min#546: "Road Less Traveled" by Joe L. Barnes and Seph Schlueter

    Send us Fan Mail 📥 Grab the free Episode Guide for this episode at https://michellenezat.com/546download — one page to walk you through the Scripture and the Bible Interaction Tool Exercises from today's show. Already a subscriber? It's in your inbox. "What is my calling?" It might be the most-asked question in Christian circles. But what if it's the wrong question? Joe L. Barnes and Seph Schlueter's "Road Less Traveled" sent me to the two times Jesus told Peter, "Follow me" — once at the nets, and once by that same sea after the resurrection. Same Lord, same two words, a very different man answering them. In this episode: Why Jesus' verbs lead in Mark 1:16–20, and the disciples respond with just two: left and followed Jesus does the making, the disciples do the following, and the becoming happens on the way What following a teacher meant in the first century, and why being with Jesus comes before being sent by Him Why following Jesus didn't look the same for everyone, including the man Jesus sent home How Peter's assignment changed in John 21, but his calling never did What the New Testament really says about being "called" Your calling isn't a destination or a job title. It's a Person. 🎧 Listen: https://michellenezat.com/546 📥 Free Episode Guide: https://michellenezat.com/546download Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  4. · 26 min#545: "What Grace Can Do” by Cochren & Co.

    Send us Fan Mail 📥 Grab the free Episode Guide for this episode at michellenezat.com/545download — one page to walk you through the Scripture and the Bible Interaction Tool Exercises from today's show. Already a subscriber? It's in your inbox. Somebody asks you what grace means. You know the answer. And then you open your mouth… and nothing comes out. Cochren & Co.'s "What Grace Can Do" sent me on a journey to define grace biblically — and I came away convinced the danger isn't just that we've lost our wonder over grace. It's that we may never have understood it in the first place. In this episode: The definition worth memorizing: grace is the unmerited favor of God Why a "grace period" isn't really grace at all — the debt still comes due Four crucial truths from J.I. Packer's Knowing God that have to be in place before grace makes sense: we're not as good as we think, God is perfectly just, we can't fix this ourselves, and God owes us nothing Why your best day can't earn grace and your worst day can't cancel it Ephesians 2 — good works are the fruit, not the root Psalm 86 — a working pattern for relying on God's grace, responding to it, and appealing to it 🎧 Listen: michellenezat.com/545 📥 Free Episode Guide: michellenezat.com/545download Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  5. · 30 min#544: "Holding On (Praise God)” by Jon Reddick

    Send us Fan Mail 📥 Grab the free Episode Guide: michellenezat.com/544download Where does your help come from? And maybe the more honest question — where do you actually go for it? Jon Reddick's "Holding On (Praise God)" declares, "I know where my help comes from," and that line sent me straight to Psalm 121. But the Psalm raised a harder question than the one it answers. Not just where help comes from, but where I actually turn first when I need it. For me, the honest list starts with myself, then my husband, then a handful of trusted mentors and friends. None of those are bad. But there's a drift that happens, and it has a name: the slide from trusting someone to trusting IN them. In this episode, we draw that line carefully, then head to John 6, where Jesus corrects a crowd that had quietly given Moses the credit for the manna. "It wasn't Moses who gave you the bread from heaven," He says. "My Father did." We follow the cross-references back to Exodus 16 and Psalm 78, and we find the mirror image waiting there — the people aimed their grumbling at Moses, and God said that grumbling was aimed at Him. Moses was the conduit in both directions, and the destination in neither. Your pastor, your mentor, your spouse — help really can come through them. But may you acknowledge the true SOURCE...the Lord who made heaven and earth. BITEs in this episode: review the section titles, read in context, follow the cross-reference, read the entire psalm, compare and contrast, consult an outside resource. Scriptures: Psalm 121:1–2, Psalm 78:18–24, Psalm 78:68–69, Ezekiel 34:4, John 6:28–32, Exodus 16:3–4, Exodus 16:8 📥 Grab the free Episode Guide: michellenezat.com/544download 🔗 Full show notes and sharing links: michellenezat.com/544 Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  6. · 25 min#543: "Have Your Way" by Katy Nichole

    Send us Fan Mail Get your free Episode Guide! Request the one-page guide—complete with Bible Interaction Tool Exercises to walk you through Acts 16 on your own—at michellenezat.com/543download. Already a subscriber? Check your inbox; it's already there. What does surrender actually look like when life falls apart? This week we let Katy Nichole's "Have Your Way" lead us into Acts 16, where two very different people end up praying the same prayer: "Lord, have Your way in me." From Lydia—a successful businesswoman whose heart the Lord opened—to a jailer at the edge of despair, we watch God move first and hearts respond. In this episode, you'll: Read Acts 16 in context (Acts 15–17) and follow Luke's timeline Step into the world of first-century Philippi—a Roman colony with a riverside place of prayer See worship become a witness as Paul and Silas sing hymns with untended wounds Learn to turn your observations into prayer over the people you love Whether your story looks like Lydia's or the jailer's, the same gospel saves—and the Lord is still opening hearts. 📥 Download the free Episode Guide: michellenezat.com/543download 💬 Say hello or ask a question: michelle@michellenezat.com Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  7. · 23 min#542: "The Author” by Brandon Lake & Nick Jonas

    Send us Fan Mail 📥 Grab the free Episode Guide for this episode: michellenezat.com/542download — it'll walk you through everything below. "Who am I to question the pen in the hands of The Author?" Brandon Lake and Nick Jonas' song "The Author" pictures God as the writer of our lives — and that's our doorway into one of the most comforting truths in all of Scripture: the doctrine of divine providence. In this episode, we'll: Unpack the difference between God's sovereignty (who He is) and His providence (what He does) Trace providence back to its very first appearance in Genesis 22 — "The Lord will provide" Follow it forward to the ultimate provision: Jesus Wrestle with free will and God's sovereignty (and why God says "both/and" where we see "either/or") Discover why providence often only makes sense when you "read it backward" Land on the truth that changes everything: God is for you Because if the Father holds the Author's pen over your life, there's one thing you need to know above all else — He is for you. 📥 Download the free Episode Guide: michellenezat.com/542download Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  8. · 25 min#541: "demons” by Josiah Queen

    Send us Fan Mail Grab this week's free Episode Guide at michellenezat.com/541download — a one-page PDF that walks you through the Scriptures and Bible Interaction Tool Exercises from this episode so you can engage with God's Word for yourself. Josiah Queen's "demons" says darkness has to leave and fear doesn't get a home in your mind. But what happens if we don't tell those demons to run and hide? In this episode, we take the BITE of considering the opposite and let King Saul's story in 1 Samuel show us what it looks like to refuse to resist: Why reading in context (all the way back to 1 Samuel 8) reveals why the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul How Saul treated his calling as if it outranked his obedience—and why that's a warning for us Why disobedience is still rebellion, even when we call it worship How the New Covenant doesn't soften the warning—but gives us what Saul never had Come discover that resisting the devil isn't white-knuckled willpower. It's obedience—done in the power of everything Christ has already accomplished for you. Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  9. · 24 min#540: "Rescue Me” by We The Kingdom

    Send us Fan Mail 📥 Download the free Episode Guide: 👉 michellenezat.com/540download One line from We The Kingdom's "Rescue Me" — "I've been climbing the branches, but I still can't see" — sends us straight to Luke 19 and the story of Zacchaeus. But this isn't the children's song version. In this episode, we dig into Zacchaeus's story the way an author would dig into a short story: character, setting, conflict, and arc. And we ask the question every "rescue me" prayer eventually has to answer — rescued from what, and rescued to what? In this episode, you'll discover: Why the real conflict in Luke 19 isn't bloodline vs. faith, but a question of who holds the authority to grant or revoke sonship What Zacchaeus's offer in verse 8 reveals about the internal battle he was really fighting Why his pursuit of Jesus was vertical, not horizontal — and why that distinction matters How rescue is never just "from" something — it's always from something to something Practical Bible Interaction Tool Exercises (BITEs) you can use to study this story for yourself, including storying, word study, and imagination Scriptures referenced: Luke 19:1–10, Luke 18:35–43, Galatians 3:7–9 Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  10. · 27 min#539: "Make It Well” by MercyMe

    Send us Fan Mail What do you do when it isn't well with your soul — and you don't know if it ever will be? MercyMe's "Make It Well" leads us to one of the most honest, desperate prayers in all of Scripture — Hannah's cry to God in 1 Samuel 1 and 2. Year after year of distinct suffering. Year after year of silence. And somewhere in the middle of it all, a woman who kept returning to God with her whole, honest heart. In this episode, you'll discover: The Hebrew word for Hannah's suffering that appears nowhere else in Scripture — and why God gave it to us (and what it means for yours) Why Peninnah wasn't just being mean — and what that changes about the story The surprising connection between Hannah's suffering and her worship in 1 Samuel 2 Resources mentioned in this episode: Free Episode Guide — https://michellenezat.com/539download Our Jerusalem by Bertha Spafford Vester — https://amzn.to/4vwBqtb Episode 530 — https://michellenezat.com/530 Free list of 15 BITEs — https://michellenezat.com/453download Logos Bible Software — https://logos.sjv.io/Wqx6JG Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  11. · 23 min#538: "Where Would I Be” by Peter Burton

    Send us Fan Mail Where would you be if you didn't have Jesus? Peter Burton's chart-topping song asks a question that Paul's letter to Titus answers in vivid detail. In this episode, we explore what life looks like without Jesus, what it looks like with Him, and how to study Scripture through the lens of created, fallen, and redeemed. 📥 Download your free Episode Guide at michellenezat.com/538download (Pairs with the Episode 537 guide — use them together for a complete walk-through of Titus!) This episode introduces a powerful new Bible Interaction Tool Exercise — learning about people the way the Bible does: created, fallen, and redeemed. We also practice starting with God, considering the opposite, and making a list as we work through Titus 1 together. If this is who God is, and in Christ we are to reflect Him — consider the opposite. That's exactly what we do in this episode, and it just might change the way you read your Bible. Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  12. · 28 min#537: "Testimony” by Terrian

    Send us Fan Mail What is your testimony? 👉 Don’t forget to download your free Episode Guide at michellenezat.com/537download If someone asked you to share your “Jesus story,” would you know where to begin? In this episode of More Than a Song, we explore what it really means to be a living, breathing, walking testimony—inspired by the song “Testimony” by Terrian. Together, we’ll dive into Titus 3:3–7 and uncover a simple but powerful framework for understanding our shared story in Christ: I once was… But God… I am now… and my hope for the future is… Whether you have a dramatic story or a quiet, steady faith journey, your testimony matters—because it’s ultimately the story of what Jesus has done. In this episode, you’ll learn: What Scripture says a true testimony is Why every believer shares the same core “Jesus story” How God’s mercy, grace, and renewal shape your identity Practical ways to build a routine of engaging with God’s Word How your testimony leads to a life of purpose and good works You’ll also be encouraged to start (or restart!) a simple rhythm of Bible reading—with grace for the days when life gets in the way. So press play, reflect on your own story, and discover how God is still writing it. 👉 Don’t forget to download your free Episode Guide at michellenezat.com/537download Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  13. · 29 min#536: "There's A God" by Mary-Clair

    Send us Fan Mail Free Episode Guide: michellenezat.com/536download When life feels heavy and hope feels distant, what do you do with your questions, your pain, and your doubt? In this episode of More Than a Song, Michelle Nezat uses “There’s a God” by Mary‑Clair as a doorway into Psalm 22 and Jesus’ darkest day on the cross. Together, we explore how Scripture invites us to bring honest lament to God while anchoring ourselves in unshakable truth. You’ll discover how Jesus’ cry of “My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?” points us to a psalm that holds both suffering and hope—and how our feelings can be real without being the full story. This episode will encourage you to look to Jesus, interrupt destructive thought loops, and engage Scripture personally when hope feels hard to find. 🎁 Free Episode Guide: Apply the Care Cycle and dig deeper into Psalm 22 at 👉 michellenezat.com/536download Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  14. · 21 min#535: "Good” by Matthew West

    Send us Fan Mail 👉 Grab your free one‑page Episode Guide: michellenezat.com/535download What if the question “Am I worthy?” isn’t the right question at all? Inspired by Matthew West’s song “Good,” this episode of More Than a Song takes us back (again!) to the book of Romans—and this time, we lean into the power of repetition. In Romans 5:1–11, we uncover a truth that changes everything: we are not loved because we’re worthy, but because God is good. In this episode, you’ll: Discover why repetition is a powerful way to interact with Scripture Learn how to Start With God by focusing on His character, conduct, and concerns Explore how hope rooted in God does not lead to shame Be reminded that your standing with God rests on Christ’s work, not your performance If you’ve ever struggled with measuring your worth—or wondered why grace feels hard to believe—this episode is an invitation to return to Scripture and let God’s goodness wreck you with mercy. 🎧 Song: “Good” by Matthew West 📖 Scripture Focus: Romans 5:1–11 👉 Episode Guide: michellenezat.com/535download Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  15. · 24 min#534: "Remembrance” by Hillsong Worship

    Send us Fan Mail Easter isn’t just a season — it’s the heart of the gospel. In this episode of More Than a Song, Michelle uses “Remembrance” by Hillsong Worship to explore what Jesus is talking about when He says, “Do this in remembrance of me.” 📥 Download the free Episode Guide to follow along in Scripture: michellenezat.com/534download As we read the accounts of the Last Supper in the gospels in context, we discover something surprising — only one Gospel records Jesus’ exact words. From there, we follow the cross‑references back to the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread, uncovering how Jesus fulfills God’s original memorial and institutes the Lord’s Supper as an ongoing proclamation of His sacrifice. This episode will deepen your understanding of communion and invite you to approach the Lord’s Table with greater clarity, gratitude, and remembrance. Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  16. · 25 min#533: “Let It Be A Hallelujah” by Lauren Daigle

    Send us Fan Mail What does the word hallelujah actually mean in the Bible? In this episode of More Than a Song, we explore the Scripture behind “Let It Be a Hallelujah” by Lauren Daigle and discover how Colossians 3 shows us what it looks like to live a life of praise. 📥 Download the Episode Guide: michellenezat.com/533download Instead of thinking of hallelujah as something we sing in worship, Scripture reveals that our entire everyday life can become a hallelujah—a living declaration of praise to God. In This Episode What the word hallelujah actually means Why the word only appears four times in the Bible How Colossians 3 describes a life of worship The difference between praising God in moments and living a life of praise Practical ways our everyday actions can become a hallelujah to God Scriptures Referenced Revelation 19:1–6 Exodus 3:14 Exodus 6:2–3 Exodus 20:7 Leviticus 24:16 Colossians 1–4 Colossians 3:1–17 Romans 12:1 Try This BITE (Bible Interaction Tool Exercise) Read in Context Read the entire letter to the Colossians (chapters 1–4). Then spend extra time sitting in Colossians 3, noticing: What believers are called to put off What believers are called to put on How gratitude is woven throughout the passage Ask yourself: How should this change the way I think? How should this change the way I live? Quote from the Episode “Our hallelujah—our worship—is not just a song or a prayer. It’s our lives. It’s taking our everyday, ordinary life—our sleeping, eating, going-to-work, walking-around life—and doing everything in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  17. · 24 min#532: "The Love I Have For You" by Colton Dixon

    Send us Fan Mail Have you ever wondered what it really means to be more than a conqueror? What if the pressures, fears, and doubts in your life aren’t the final word—and what if God’s love is bigger than all of it? In this episode, Colton Dixon’s song “The Love I Have For You” becomes our guide to exploring the power, security, and overwhelming strength of God’s love. We’ll walk through Romans 8 in a way that makes Scripture come alive, uncover faulty thinking that keeps us stuck, and discover how God’s love transforms anxiety into assurance. By the end, you won’t just be singing along—you’ll be living with a fresh perspective on the One who fights for you. Key Points Song Inspiration: Colton Dixon wrote “The Love I Have For You” while learning to rest in God’s love amidst work, life, and fatherhood. Theme: Romans 8:37 – “No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.” Scriptural Context: Romans 1–8 explores the Gospel, justification by faith, sanctification, suffering, and future hope. Teaching Method: Paul’s diatribe method—posing rhetorical objections to correct faulty thinking—is a model for how we can interact with Scripture. Takeaway: God’s love is constant, secure, and empowers us to overcome external pressures, internal struggles, and accusations. Scriptures Referenced Romans 1–8 (focus on 8:31–39) Romans 8:1–2 Romans 8:31–39 Romans 8:37 Romans 8:38–39 Psalm 44:22 Revelation 12:10 BITEs (Bible Interaction Tool Exercises) Read in Context – Read Romans 1–8 in one sitting. Notice Paul’s progression from justification to present experience to future hope. Make a List (Diatribe Chart) – Create a two-column chart: Faulty Thinking vs. Truth Follow the cross-reference – Follow Paul’s quotation: Psalm 44:22. Reflect on God’s faithfulness to His covenant people even amidst affliction. Breath Prayer – Inspired by Tim Timmons: Breath in…Jesus…Breathe out… You have my attention. Let this prepare your heart to interact with Scripture. Pray a Declaration of Gratitude – Turn truths uncovered from Romans 8:31–39 into a spoken or written declaration of God’s love and victory through Christ. Additional Resources Download the free Episode Guide Lyrics - New Release Today Behind the Song "The Love I Have For You" by Colton Dixon - New Release Today Editorial Cover Story: Colton Dixon | The Love I Have For You - CCM YouTube Interview Bible Interaction Roadmap Bible Study - videos and assignments that will equip you with habits you can use over and over in your own Bible Study - Learn More Learn more about my favorite Bible Study Software with a 30-day free trial and links to my favorite Bible resources - Logos Bible Software Affiliate Link This Week's Challenge Read Romans chapters 1-8. Pay attention to Paul’s rhetorical question, “What shall we say?” Consider what you can learn from his teaching style. Create a two-column chart based on Paul’s discourse in Romans 8:31-39. In one column, list examples of faulty thinking; in the other column, provide the corrected thinking. Share your insights with a friend. If you are feeling separated Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  18. · 22 min#531: "Christ In Me" by Tim Timmons

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode of More Than a Song, we use Tim Timmons’ song “Christ In Me” as a launching point to explore what Scripture teaches about the indwelling Holy Spirit, the fruit of the Spirit, and the tension we experience when our lives don’t always align with what we say we believe. We’ll dig into what it means to suppress the truth, why Paul says this leads to being “futile in our thinking,” and how setting our minds on the Spirit changes everything — from our thoughts to our actions to our worship. Key Points What it means to believe something intellectually but not live like it’s true Hypocrisy vs. life in the Spirit The promise and presence of the Holy Spirit Fruit of the Spirit as evidence, not effort Suppressing truth and the cost of futile thinking Allowing Truth to resurface — like a beach ball underwater How setting our minds on the Spirit leads to life and peace Scriptures Referenced John 14–16 Acts 2 Romans 1:18–22; 29–31 Romans 2:1 Romans 8:5–11 Galatians 5:17; 22–23 Ephesians 1:13–14 Philippians 4:8 Matthew 5:21–22 BITEs (Bible Interaction Tool Exercises) Read & Keep on Reading: Read Romans 1–8 in context and note the contrast between suppressing truth and life in the Spirit. Turn Scripture Into Prayer: Thank God for His Spirit dwelling in you and producing His fruit through you. Compare & Contrast: Look at Galatians 5 and identify the difference between striving in the flesh and keeping in step with the Spirit. Additional Resources Download the free Episode Guide Lyrics - New Release Today Tim Timmons shares the heart behind the song "Christ In Me" and shares the song live on Essential Worship Song Sessions - YouTube Bible Interaction Roadmap Bible Study - videos and assignments that will equip you with habits you can use over and over in your own Bible Study - Learn More Learn more about my favorite Bible Study Software with a 30-day free trial and links to my favorite Bible resources - Logos Bible Software Affiliate Link This Week's Challenge Read John 14-16 and highlight every time Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit and make note of how He describes Him. Head over to Romans 1 and 8 (better yet, read Romans 1-8) and examine what it looks like to suppress truth and the results, and contrast that to what life in the Spirit looks like. Finally, spend some time in Galatians 5 to see what keeping in step with the Spirit looks like—what life looks like when following the Spirit's leading rather than suppressing Him. It should change your prayers, your praise, your thinking, and your life. What if we lived like we believed that the Spirit of Christ dwelled within us? Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  19. · 36 minbonusSpecial Edition: Tim Timmons on Friday With Friends

    Send us Fan Mail In this special Friday With Friends episode of More Than a Song, I’m joined by worship leader, songwriter, and author Tim Timmons—a voice many of us recognize from songs we’ve sung, but whose story gives those lyrics profound weight. Tim co-wrote Even If, a song rooted in the kind of faith that trusts God without guaranteed outcomes. That theology isn’t abstract for Tim. Over twenty years ago, he received a terminal cancer diagnosis—and he’s been living out an “even if” faith ever since. In our conversation, we talk honestly about suffering, grief, and gratitude. We explore how music becomes prayer when words are hard to find, how God’s Word anchors us when faith feels fragile, and how joy and sorrow can coexist without canceling each other out. If you’ve ever felt worn out by performative faith—or needed permission to bring your real story to Jesus—this conversation is for you. In this episode, we talk about: Why Scripture still matters when life doesn’t make sense How suffering strips faith down to what’s real and lasting The story behind Tim’s new book, Waking Up Again: A Journey of Grief and Gratitude Seeing his story portrayed in I Can Only Imagine 2, and what it was like watching that unfold Holding joy and grief together in everyday life How music helps us process pain and hope simultaneously as prayers to be sung Tim’s personal habits for staying engaged with God’s Word A song recommendation you’ll want on repeat (and we’ll be using it for Monday’s episode!) Connect with Tim: All the links to all the things are at https://michellenezat.com/tim Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!

  20. · 20 min#530: "Even If" by MercyMe

    Send us Fan Mail There are some songs that stay with us—not because they were tied to a moment, but because they put words to a posture of faith we keep coming back to. Even If by MercyMe is one of those songs for me. At its core, it gives voice to a tension we all know well: trusting that God is able… while also learning to remain faithful when He doesn’t act in the way we hope He will. Key Points “Even If” by MercyMe gives voice to a deeply biblical kind of faith—a faith that remains even when God doesn’t intervene the way we hope He will. The song is rooted in Daniel 3, where Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego declare that God can save them…but even if He doesn’t, they will not bow. The modern testimony behind the hymn “It Is Well with My Soul” echoes the same posture—sorrow acknowledged, trust unshaken. This phrase even if names something many believers live daily: trusting God when the outcome is uncertain, painful, or opposite of what we prayed for. The enemy still whispers the same lie King Nebuchadnezzar did: “What god could save you now?” Recognizing that lie and responding with truth shapes our spiritual resilience. Scriptures Referenced Daniel 1–3 – Context of the exile, rise of Daniel and his friends, and the furnace account Daniel 3:16–18 – “The God we serve is able…but even if…” Daniel 2:49 – Their roles in Babylon Daniel 1:17–20 – God-given wisdom and favor Supporting historical reference from the story behind “It Is Well with My Soul” BITEs (Bible Interaction Tool Exercises) Consult a summary or introduction before diving into a book you’re less familiar with (e.g., study Bible intros, Blue Letter Bible, BibleProject). Read in context – Start in Daniel 1 and read through Daniel 3 to see the full arc of faithfulness. Consider historical context – Culture, timeline, exile setting, and long-term leadership roles. Follow cross-references – Explore the broader biblical theme of steadfast trust. Ask reflection questions – “Where is my even if? Where am I tempted to bow to cultural pressure?” Additional Resources Download the free Episode Guide Lyrics - New Release Today Blue Letter Bible ESV Introduction to the Book of Daniel Bible Project Introduction to the Book of Daniel - BibleProject.com Bible Interaction Roadmap Bible Study - videos and assignments that will equip you with habits you can use over and over in your own Bible Study - Learn More Learn more about my favorite Bible Study Software with a 30-day free trial and links to my favorite Bible resources - Logos Bible Software Affiliate Link This Week's Challenge Read Daniel 3 in context -- meaning start in chapter 1 and read all the way through chapter 3. Consider the historical context of this story. Perhaps even research the historical details further. Ask yourself how you would respond in this situation. Decide today that you will remain faithful even if God doesn't choose to rescue you in the manner you desire. Purchase your copy of A Seat at the Table today!