The Grove Podcast

What if the parts of your story you wish you could change are actually the places where God wants to reveal His goodness most deeply? In this episode, Shelley Giglio sits down with Katherine Wolfe for an honest conversation about suffering, disability, community, identity, and the goodness of God. After surviving a devastating stroke at just 26 years old, Katherine was left with profound physical disabilities and a life that looked nothing like she expected. But through the years, God has taught her to see not only the collateral damage, but also the “collateral gifts” and the ways He can use what is broken to bring hope, healing, and belonging to others. Katherine and Shelley talk about the power of Christian community, the importance of staying with people in their pain, and what it means to radically accept the story God has given us. She reminds us that while all is not well, all is not lost—and that there is still so much goodness to see, steward, and give away. This conversation is an invitation to stop waiting for life to become perfect before we begin truly living it, and to trust that God is faithful in every part of our story. Follow along with The Grove: @pcc_thegrove Learn more at thegroveonline.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What does it actually mean to live free? In this special episode of The Grove Podcast, we’re inviting you into a powerful conversation from The October Grove with Shelley Giglio and Susan Robinson. Together, they unpack what it looks like to walk in the freedom Jesus has already given us, not as a feeling, but as a daily choice to surrender, trust, and stay tethered to Him. Shelley shares part of her story of finding freedom as a teenager and how God used His kindness to redirect the course of her life. From there, the conversation goes deeper into surrendering our will, our preferences, the opinions of others, and the outcomes we’re trying so hard to control. Because true freedom isn’t found in having everything figured out. It’s found in Jesus. It’s found in surrendering to Him, walking in obedience, renewing our minds with His Word, and allowing His truth to lead us. “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.” Galatians 5:1 We don’t have to carry the weight of our lives alone. We can open our hands, surrender what we cannot control, trust that God is writing a better story, and believe that He is still able to redeem what feels broken or impossible. This conversation is an invitation to take a step of faith, renew your mind with truth, and discover the freedom that is already yours in Jesus. Follow along with The Grove: @pcc_thegrove Learn more at thegroveonline.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What if the Bible isn’t just a book to study, but a love story inviting you into a deeper relationship with God? In episode five of our Summer Recap Series, Shelley Giglio sits down with beloved Bible teacher and longtime friend Lisa Harper for an honest and hope-filled conversation about knowing the God of the Bible—not just knowing about Him. Lisa shares how God has patiently pursued her through seasons of doubt, disappointment, fear, failure, and loss, teaching her that true freedom isn’t found in performing, pretending, or presenting a polished version of ourselves. It’s found in believing that we are already fully loved by Jesus. Together, Shelley and Lisa talk about the difference between religion and relationship, the importance of knowing Scripture for ourselves, and how theology isn’t just a subject to study. It’s a conversation with a God who desires to be known. From Lisa’s journey into public ministry to the story of adopting her daughter Missy, she shares how God redeems what feels irreparable and meets us with His kindness in the places we feel most broken. If you’ve ever felt like you have to clean yourself up before coming to God, this conversation is a reminder: Jesus is not a scowling Savior waiting for you to get it right. He is a loving Father inviting you closer. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What does it look like to follow Jesus in the everyday tension of motherhood, marriage, leadership, and personal healing? In episode four of our Summer Recap Series, Shelley Giglio is joined by author, Bible teacher, and podcaster Jackie Hill Perry for a raw and wisdom filled conversation about humility, trust, and the hidden work of sanctification. Jackie shares candidly about parenting four children while staying rooted in her calling, building a marriage grounded in friendship with her husband Preston, and learning to trust God in places of deep personal hurt and uncertainty. Together, they unpack what it means to live as disciples who choose obedience over ego, faith over fear, and gratitude over envy. This episode will encourage you to see God differently in your suffering, to embrace the narrow road of discipleship, and to trust that He is faithful in every step of your story. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Have you ever become so familiar with your struggle that it started to shape your identity? In episode three of our Summer Recap Series, Shelley Giglio is joined by Christine Caine as she opens John 5 and unpacks the story of the man who sat beside the Pool of Bethesda waiting for his breakthrough. Through Scripture and personal testimony, Christine challenges us to consider the ways we've become comfortable sitting in disappointment, bitterness, fear, shame, or unbelief—and reminds us that Jesus is still asking, "Do you want to be healed?" Healing isn't just about leaving something behind; it's about stepping into the purpose God has prepared for us. Whether you're carrying wounds from your past, struggling to trust God with your future, or simply feeling stuck in your faith, this message will encourage you to get up, pick up your mat, and walk in the freedom Jesus has already made available. If you're ready to stop being defined by your issue and start living from your identity as a daughter of God, this episode is for you. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In episode two of our Summer Recap Series, Shelley Giglio is joined by Sadie Robertson Huff and Korie Robertson for a conversation filled with wisdom, encouragement, and honest reflections on following Jesus in every season of life. Together, they talk about the importance of spiritual discipline and what it looks like to grow into the person God created you to be. Sadie shares stories from her journey into ministry and public speaking, opening up about vulnerability, insecurity, identity, and learning to trust God with every opportunity and open door. Korie shares powerful insight on motherhood, adoption, sacrifice, and creating a home centered around the presence of God. From conversations about contentment and calling to reminders that God’s plans are always greater than our own, this episode is packed with practical wisdom and truth for women in every season. Whether you’re navigating uncertainty, longing to grow spiritually, or simply needing encouragement to trust God more deeply, we pray this conversation reminds you that He is faithfully leading your story. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What does it look like to stay planted in Jesus when life feels uncertain, uncomfortable, or costly? In episode one of our Summer Recap Series, Shelley Giglio sits down with Grammy Award-winning songwriter, worship leader, and longtime friend Brooke Ligertwood to talk about anointing, obedience, creativity, and surrender. Together, they explore the weight and wonder of being entrusted with God’s calling… and how true freedom is often found not in striving, but in faithfully staying with Jesus one day at a time. Brooke shares personal stories about discovering songwriting at a young age, stewarding creativity through both worship, and learning that the goal of her life isn’t success or recognition, but simply to remain close to Jesus. Shelley and Brooke also reflect on the beauty of being “good trees” – rooted, nourished, and trusting God alone with the fruit their lives produce. This conversation is for anyone who feels stretched, misunderstood, weary, or unsure of what obedience looks like in this season. You’ll walk away encouraged to stay planted, take heart, and trust God with the outcome! If you want more from Brooke, you can find her at @brookeligertwood on Instagram or www.brookeligertwood.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What does it look like to live fully surrendered to God — not just once, but day after day, season after season? In this conversation, Shelley Giglio sits down with Priscilla Shirer – wife, mother, author, and speaker – to reflect on the powerful move of God they’re seeing in this generation, especially through gatherings like Passion, where tens of thousands of young adults are showing up hungry for the Word of God, not just motivation. Priscilla shares how she has spoken identity-shaping declarations over her sons for years and how that same truth now calls a wider generation to live like who God says they are. They talk honestly about surrender: laying down comfort, preferences, and even good opportunities when God says “go” or “stay.” Priscilla tells the story of filming War Room and being willing to lay acting down to honor her marriage and family, and together she and Shelley unpack the danger of confusing ministry with platform in a social-media age. From five unseen years discipling a handful of college girls, to the story behind The Jesus Bible, to a powerful reminder that maybe we don’t need more clarity but more courage, this episode invites us to see every ordinary moment as ministry and to trust that God is forming us — even when no one is watching. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode, Shelley Giglio sits down with international speaker, best-selling author, and spoken-word artist Hosanna Wong for an honest conversation about faith that doesn’t feel like a spiritual show. Hosanna shares stories from her upbringing in San Francisco, her dad’s faithful street ministry, and the surprising ways God produces fruit across generations. Together, they explore why so many of us feel stuck — confusing our “God life” with a perfect quiet-time ideal while our real life is full of deadlines, laundry, and responsibility. Together they explore a powerful picture of flourishing through the lens of vineyard growers, and how to nurture your life with God in whatever season you’re in. We pray that this conversation will help you release comparison, repent of pace and pressures God never asked you to carry, and take one simple step toward a real relationship with Him — today. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this rich and encouraging conversation, Shelley Giglio is joined by Christine Caine to talk about flourishing in a world that often feels heavy, chaotic, and hard. Inspired by Christine’s new book, The Faith to Flourish, Shelley and Christine explore the biblical imagery of the olive tree and what it teaches us about being rooted in Christ, bearing lasting fruit, and thriving even in difficult places. Christine shares why this message feels so urgent for women right now, especially after years of disappointment, distraction, and spiritual fatigue. Together, she and Shelley talk about abiding in Jesus, resisting the false definitions of flourishing that culture offers, and building a life that can withstand suffering when it comes. They also have an honest and thoughtful conversation about healing, therapy, prayer, the role of the local church, and why deep roots in Jesus and His people matter more than ever. Christine reflects on her own story of trauma, healing, cancer, friendship, and faith, reminding listeners that flourishing doesn’t mean life is easy — it means Jesus is enough in every season. This episode is a hopeful invitation to stop languishing, put down deeper roots in Christ, and become women who produce fruit, freedom, and shade for the people around us. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Grove Podcast, Shelley Gigilo sits down with her friend and longtime Grove girl, Jennie Lusko. Jennie Lusko is a best-selling author, podcast host, wife, mom of five, and she pastors Fresh Life Church alongside her husband, Levi. Shelley and Jennie have a heartfelt conversation about becoming the women God designed us to be. Together they reflect on the surprising ways God prepares us for our callings long before we understand them, and how flourishing often comes through seasons of difficulty, perseverance, and small acts of obedience. Jennie shares candidly about marriage, motherhood, loss, and the slow, steady growth that happens when we plant ourselves in community. Shelley offers wisdom on practicing obedience, cultivating awareness, and fighting the good fight of faith — even when we don’t feel it. Their conversation is full of encouragement for women who are in the in-between seasons, waiting for fruit, longing for clarity, or navigating the tensions of real life. It’s a reminder that God is faithful in every step, and that we flourish best when we walk together. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Grove Podcast, Shelley Giglio sits down with her dear friend and a long-time Grove girl, Courtney Pray Duke, to celebrate the release of Courtney’s book And She Got Up : Shattered by Loss, Restored by Jesus and to trace the journey that shaped it. Courtney shares how everything changed in her life the day Andrew died in a bicycle accident — an instant that turned a bright day into “the darkest night of the soul.” With honesty and tenderness, Courtney recounts the disorienting fog of grief, the fight to keep going for her three young children, and the unexpected ways God met her in the lowest moments. From a pivotal encounter with God at Passion 2013 to the daily practice of anchoring her life in scripture, Courtney unpacks how faith can be tested in the fire — and how God’s presence can become most real in the valley. Shelley and Courtney also talk about the power of community, learning to speak truth out loud, and the long obedience of writing the story down. Ultimately, this conversation is an invitation: if Jesus brought life to her story, He can bring life to yours too. And She Got Up releases on February 24, but you can pre-order your copy today. Learn more at AndSheGotUp.com and keep up with Courtney on her Instagram @CourtneyPrayDuke. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What kind of legacy are you building? Where does it begin? In this honest conversation, Dr. Crawford Loritts joins Shelley Giglio to talk about faith, family, and the work of God that will shape generations. From the role of prayer in parenting to the importance of repentance and humility before God, this episode is a reminder that lasting legacy is not built on perfection, but in surrender to Jesus. Dr. Crawford shares deeply personal stories from his own life and family, reflecting on the power of prayer, the role of repentance in parenting, and the importance of staying faithful to what God has asked you to do. They discuss how spiritual legacy is formed over time through obedience and reverence for God, not through strategy, perfection, or performance. This conversation offers wisdom on breaking generational cycles, embracing God as Father, and choosing to become what you did not receive. Whether you’re a parent or simply longing to break generational patterns, this conversation will encourage you to start where real transformation begins – at the feet of Jesus. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

When life doesn’t go as planned, how do we keep trusting that God is still good? In this episode, Shelley Giglio is joined by Grammy-nominated artist Natalie Grant for a vulnerable look at surrender, trust, and identity. Natalie shares how walking through thyroid cancer, a diagnosis that threatened her voice, became a catalyst for her deeper faith, helped her root her identity in Jesus, and how she’s learning to release control in motherhood and life. Whether you’re walking through uncertainty or just need a reminder that God is near, this episode will encourage you to pause, remember His faithfulness, and rest in His presence. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit TheGroveOnline.com to get connected. _____ The Christmas Grove Dates: December 8 + 9 Time: Doors open at 6:30p | Gathering starts at 7:30p Location: Passion City Church // 515 Garson Dr., Atlanta, GA Visit TheGroveOnline.com/Christmas for more information. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In a brand new episode of The Grove Podcast, Shelley Giglio is joined by the brilliant and bold Jackie Hill Perry for a conversation about faith, formation, and the unexpected places God does His deepest work. Together, Shelley and Jackie unpack the wrestle with ambition, the gift of hidden seasons, and how God often meets us in our lack to show us that He alone is enough. They explore the importance of spiritual disciplines — not as rigid rules but as pathways to freedom, relationship, and fruitfulness. And they encourage us to believe that God really does use every part of our story to make us more like Jesus. Wherever you are — leading, waiting, hoping, or trying your best to believe — it’s our prayer that this conversation will lift your eyes to His presence and His power at work in your life. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What does it look like to raise children with faith, grace, and courage in a world full of fear and comparison? In this heartfelt conversation, Shelley Giglio sits down with DeAnza Duron—pastor, mother of seven, and grandmother to twenty-one—to talk about the power of grace in motherhood, the gift of trust in God’s plan, and the daily choice to live in peace instead of fear. Together, they discuss the foundational truths of parenting—keeping a clean heart, anchoring your home in God’s Word, and raising children to love and serve others. They also tackle fear, trust, and joy—reminding every woman listening that peace is possible, joy is worth fighting for, and choosing life in Jesus changes everything. With warmth, humor, and deep faith, DeAnza shares stories of raising her kids (including her daughter and fellow Grove girl, DawnCheré Wilkerson), practical wisdom for moms in every season, and the reminder that God fills in every gap we miss. DeAnza’s stories will remind you that you don’t have to get everything right—because God fills in the gaps. From French toast breakfasts and scripture at the table to singing “Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus” at bedtime, she shares how simple, faithful rhythms shape generations. Whether you’re a mother or simply someone learning to trust God with what you can’t control, this episode offers encouragement to fight for joy, walk in courage, and believe that grace is always enough. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What does it really mean to flourish based on scripture? In this episode of The Grove Podcast, we hear from Shelley Giglio, Daniele Flickinger, and Susan Robinson for a heartfelt conversation about the beauty God brings when we allow Him to work in every part of our lives. Through honest reflection and wisdom, they share how God transforms even the most barren seasons into places of growth and grace. This conversation invites you to release what you’ve been holding onto, make space for God’s work in your heart, and remember that flourishing doesn’t always look like flowering – like we read in Psalm 92, God compares us to palm trees and reminds us that flourishing can look more like strength than beauty. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of The Grove Podcast, Shelley Giglio is joined by friend of the Grove, Christine Caine for a truth-packed conversation about spiritual maturity, living in intentional community and what it really means to say “yes” to Jesus—again and again. We talk about choosing spiritual depth over performance, prioritizing God's purposes over our personal preferences, and building friendships that reflect His heart—even when it feels hard or inconvenient in the season we're in. Christine also shares powerful stories of what Jesus is doing in churches across the globe and how hearts are awakening to the real Jesus— hungry for hope and truth. Whether you’re learning to stay rooted in hard seasons or wondering how to finish strong, this episode will stir you toward transformational and intentional, abundant living. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing through Passion City Church to serve and disciple women everywhere. For more encouragement, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This one’s for you who’s longing to be known. Today, we are joined by dear friends of The Grove— Rachel Baldwin, Kerri Stanfill, and Susan Robinson— for a vulnerable conversation about what it really means to be seen, loved, and surrounded by a real community. But where do we begin? How do we create a space where people feel safe to be known — not only when we win, but also when we ache? Through wisdom and practical encouragement, Rachel, Kerri, and Susan invite us to go first — in vulnerability, in confession, in reaching out, in showing up. They discuss the power of presence, the courage it takes to initiate, and why we don’t have to have it all together to start forming or maintaining our meaningful relationships. For the woman longing for deeper friendship but unsure where to begin, this episode is filled with grace and guidance for taking that first brave step. Whether you’re flourishing in community or feeling forgotten on the sidelines, you’ll leave this conversation reminded that you’re not alone. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode, we’re joined by the wise and wonderful Lisa Harper — author, Bible teacher, and one of the most joy-filled voices in the Church today. With her trademark humor and heartfelt honesty, Lisa shares a powerful conversation with Shelley Giglio about theology, friendship, and the beauty of living in a deep community connection. Lisa opens up about her early struggles with inadequacy and how, for a time, theology became a mask she wore rather than a lens through which she could truly see Jesus. But as God gently reshaped her heart, Lisa began to understand that real theology is deeply relational, all about knowing Christ and letting that knowledge transform our lives. In this conversation, Lisa lets us into how that revelation has impacted her view on community, and challenges us to do the same. She also gives us a glimpse into what God is doing through her Kerygma Conference and her new book, “A Jesus Shaped Life.” In true Lisa Harper fashion, this episode is filled with both deep belly laughs and powerful theological truths, serving as a reminder to us that theology isn’t just for classrooms or scholars, but for every woman longing to know Jesus and walk with Him more closely. The Grove is an extension of all God is doing here at Passion City Church in Atlanta, Georgia, to serve and care for women everywhere. To learn more, follow us on Instagram @pcc_thegrove or visit thegroveonline.com to get connected. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.