Most people hear the word codependence and think: not me. But codependence isn't reserved for people in crisis or recovery – it's a spectrum, and most of us are somewhere on it. In Part 1, we look at what codependence actually is through the HOCI framework, and introduce five patterns that most people will recognize in themselves. In this episode we will discuss: The Healing Our Core Issues (HOCI) definition: codependence as difficulty knowing who you are separate from your relationships Why it's a developmental issue, not a character flaw – and why the spectrum matters How culture and faith communities can quietly reinforce codependent patterns The five faces: the caretaker, the peacekeeper, the controller, the chameleon, and the one who leaves first We're not diagnosing. We're getting curious.

Encountering You
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You are invited to join Laura Williams, licensed professional counselor and co-host of ‘Out of the Dark’ with Mandisa as she tackles some of the tough issues in mental health and how they relate to your faith journey.
Encountering You will dive deeper into topics like trauma, struggling with my mental health as a Christian, what are boundaries and how do I grow from them, shame, abuse, dealing with resentment and anger, and more.
Each episode will be full of information and include reflection, so be prepared to be challenged, but know that if you're willing to move, even an inch, change will be inevitable.
New episodes of Encountering You will be available every Wednesday so make sure to subscribe as we embark on a journey of hearing the places God wants to bring you in your story.
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I've been doing the work. I've read the books, sat in the sessions, had the hard conversations. And then something happens -- and I find myself right back in a pattern I thought I was done with. What is wrong with me? Am I ever going to get there? If you've asked that question, this episode is for you. "Am I fully healed?" is one of the most common questions that surfaces in therapy -- usually from the people who are working the hardest. Today we sit inside that question rather than rush past it. We look at what healing actually is through the lens of the Healing Our Core Issues (HOCI) framework, why the pattern coming back doesn't mean you're starting over, and how to be in a lifelong journey without it crushing you. In this episode: Why the idea of being "fully healed" may be the wrong goal The spiral nature of healing -- and why returning to familiar territory isn't the same as going backward What regression actually is (and what it isn't) Why triggers are the curriculum, not the enemy How spiritual communities can unintentionally add shame to the healing process How to measure progress differently -- and give yourself credit for what has actually changed The goal isn't to arrive. It's to become more yourself, more of the time. Reflection question to carry with you: How is your relationship to the thing you've struggled with longest different today than it was two years ago -- even subtly? Encountering You is a faith-informed podcast about mental health, healing, and the work of becoming more yourself.
Have you ever agreed to something and driven home feeling like you left a piece of yourself in that conversation? Or held so firm to your position that the relationship paid the price? Compromise gets a lot of good press -- but most of us have never learned the difference between healthy flexibility and quiet self-erasure. In this episode, we use the Healing Our Core Issues (HOCI) framework to look at what compromise actually requires, why it can feel so loaded, and how it shows up differently in the relationships that matter most. We talk about romantic partnerships, friendships, adult family relationships, and work -- and why the same pattern tends to show up across all of them. In this episode: Why compromise problems are often boundary or attachment wounds in disguise What self-abandonment looks like in everyday conversation How your attachment style shapes the way you handle conflict The difference between healthy flexibility and giving yourself away How to tell whether a compromise left you more solid -- or smaller The HOCI model gives us six core areas to work with: self-esteem, boundaries, owning your reality, self-care, moderation, and attachment. This episode uses all six. Reflection question to carry with you: Is there a relationship where you've been playing a role so long you've forgotten you're allowed to renegotiate it? Encountering You is a faith-informed podcast about mental health, healing, and the work of becoming more yourself.
Many of us reach a point where we notice it; the way we react, the way we shut down, the way we respond in relationships and think, I don’t want to keep doing this. In this episode, we explore what actually gets passed down in families and relationships, and why those patterns can feel so hard to change. Through the lens of attachment and the nervous system, we look at how our reactions are often learned, automatic, and rooted in what once helped us feel safe. More importantly, we talk about how to begin interrupting those patterns in real, practical ways. This episode offers a simple, repeatable framework:Notice → Pause → Regulate → Choose → Repair Because breaking generational cycles isn’t about getting it right every time; it’s about responding differently, one moment at a time. In this episode we explore: What actually gets passed down in relationships Why patterns repeat (even when we don’t want them to) The role of attachment and nervous system responses How to interrupt patterns in real time Why repair matters more than perfection
Many of us grow up believing that hard work will eventually lead to success, stability, and fulfillment. But career and financial stories don’t always unfold the way we imagined. In this episode, we talk about the disappointment that can surface when work feels empty, progress stalls, financial stress lingers, or success fails to satisfy the way we thought it would. We also explore how cultural messages around productivity can quietly tie our worth to our work and how to hold ambition without letting it define who we are. In this episode we explore: 1. Why career disappointment can feel like an identity crisis 2. The connection between productivity and self-worth 3. The impact of financial stress on the nervous system 4. Holding ambition without tying it to your values
Parenting carries some of our deepest hopes for connection, meaning, and legacy. But the story of parenting doesn’t always unfold the way we imagined. For some, the disappointment comes from longing for children that never arrive, through infertility, miscarriage, or not finding a partner to build a family with. For others, the grief happens within parenting itself when children struggle, relationships change, or the experience is harder than expected. In this episode, we explore why these disappointments can feel so profound and how attachment, identity, and cultural expectations all shape the parenting story. In this episode we explore: 1. The grief of infertility or not finding a partner to have children with 2. Why parenting struggles can feel so personal 3. Attachment and the caregiving system 4. Separating grief from shame in the parenting journey
Many of us grow up assuming marriage is simply the next step in life. But what happens when that story doesn’t unfold the way we expected? In this episode, we explore the quiet disappointment many people carry regarding relationship status: whether that’s longing to be married, navigating singleness, divorce, dating later in life than expected, or feeling lonely within a marriage. We also talk about how cultural and church messages around marriage can intensify this grief. When something is framed as inevitable, not experiencing it can feel like falling behind or missing something essential. Using insights from attachment research, we explore why relational disappointment can feel so personal and painful, and how to separate grief from shame. In this episode we explore: 1. Why relationship disappointment runs so deep 2. How cultural and church messages shape expectations around marriage 3. Attachment and the human need for connection 4. Hold longing without tying it to your worth
In this special Q&A episode, Laura is tackling a few questions that have been coming up a lot lately around mental health and relationships. She shares some interesting trends showing up in 2026—from people switching to “brick phones” to set better digital boundaries, to the danger of self-diagnosis and conversations around family boundaries. Then she covers some practical questions: How do you know if you might need counseling? How can you suggest therapy to someone you care about without it coming across the wrong way? And what do you do if you’re someone who’s afraid of making mistakes? If you've ever asked any of these questions - this episode is for you.
In this episode, Laura explores the difference between judgement and curiosity—and why learning to regulate our judgement is essential for becoming grounded, healthy adults. She explains how judgement is biologically protective, when it’s necessary for safety, and when it crosses into harmful territory. Laura then offers a roadmap for shifting from judgement to curiosity while holding ethical boundaries for ourselves and others. If you’ve ever found yourself judging too quickly—or judging yourself even more harshly—this episode invites you into compassion, clarity, and deeper relational awareness for yourself and others.
In this episode of Encountering You, Laura Williams explains why nervous system regulation isn’t about being calm, positive, or emotionally controlled. Regulation is about your ability to stay present with stress, emotion, and discomfort without shutting down or becoming reactive. You’ll learn how fight, flight, freeze, and fawn show up in everyday life, why dysregulation isn’t a failure, and how regulation grows through compassion, repetition, and safe connection.